# NTSB NYC86LA063: Luscombe 8B, N25119, Turin, NY, January 18, 1986

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: January 18, 1986, 12:00 local (17:00 UTC)
- Place: Turin, NY
- Coordinates: 43.620521, -75.400917 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=43.6205&lon=-75.4009&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 2 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 30289
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=NYC86LA063
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/30289/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC86LA063

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Nose over, landing - flare/touchdown
  - judgment - poor, pilot in command (cause)
  - planning/decision - poor, pilot in command (cause)
- Gear collapsed, landing - flare/touchdown
  - landing gear - overload

## Analysis

THE PERSONAL FLIGHT FROM OSWEGO, NY TO TURIN, NY WAS UNEVENTFUL AND WITHOUT PROBLEMS. HOWEVER WHILE LANDING IN SOFT SNOW, THE RIGHT SKI DUG INTO THE SOFT SNOW. THE LANDING GEAR FAILED AND THE AIRCRAFT NOSED OVER ONTO ITS BACK AND WAS SUBSTANTIALLY DAMAGED. THE PLT STATED THAT A PHONE CALL TO CHECK SNOW CONDITIONS AT TURIN COULD POSSIBLY HAVE PREVENTED THE ACCIDENT.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N25119](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N25119), registered now, S/N 1043 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: LUSCOMBE 8B
- Registry model: [Luscombe 8B](https://openairdocs.org/model/luscombe-8b) (registry code 8190106) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Continental A&C65 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/continental-a-c65-series) (registry code 17003, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 1043
- Airframe hours: 2996
- Engines: CONTINENTAL A-65 65 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Personal, Part 91
- Registered owner: Walter Kahn
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, September 26, 1985
- Departed: N00, OSWEGO, NY
- Destination: TURIN, NY

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 39; commercial; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 2, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; seat: left; flight hours: 1,305 total, 1,000 in this make and model, 1,200 as pilot in command, 4 in the last 90 days

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 220° at 10 knots
- Visibility: 15 statute miles
- Temperature: 50 °F

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19860118000889A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19860118000889A), Jan 18, 1986: Luscom STC8LUSCOM, Turin, NY, Substantial damage. Aircraft was flipped over on landing when the right ski dug into soft snow.[privacy data omitted]

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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