# NTSB NYC86LA229: Piper PA-38-112, N2447B, New Haven, CT, September 1, 1986

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: September 1, 1986, 19:30 local (23:30 UTC)
- Place: New Haven, CT
- Location: 41.2637° N, 72.8877° W: Placed by OpenAirDocs at TWEED/NEW HAVEN (HVN), within about a mile (OpenAirDocs)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=41.2637&lon=-72.8877&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Initial climb](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/350) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 2 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 30418
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=NYC86LA229
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/30418/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC86LA229

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Loss of engine power(total) - nonmechanical, takeoff - initial climb
  - emergency procedure - simulated, pilot in command(cfi) (contributing factor)
  - aborted takeoff - performed, dual student (contributing factor)
- Hard landing, landing - flare/touchdown
  - aircraft handling - improper, dual student (cause)
  - airspeed - not maintained, dual student (cause)
  - remedial action - delayed, pilot in command(cfi) (cause)
  - supervision - inadequate, pilot in command(cfi) (cause)

## Analysis

DURING A SIMULATED ENGINE OUT ON TAKEOFF, THE STUDENT PLT LEVELED THE ACFT INSTEAD OF LOWERING THE NOSE TO MAINTAIN AIRSPEED. THE CFI TOOK OVER CONTROL OF THE ACFT, HOWEVER, THE AIRSPEED WAS TOO SLOW TO ARREST THE RATE OF DESCENT. THE ACFT CONTACTED THE SURFACE HARD ON THE MAIN GEAR.

## Aircraft

- Registration: N2447B (not matched to a registry record)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-38-112
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 38-79A0065
- Airframe hours: 2851
- Engines: LYCOMING O-235-L2C 112 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Instructional, Part 91
- Registered owner: New Air Flight
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Departed: HVN, NEW HAVEN, CT
- Airport: HVN, Tweed Hew Haven, runway 20, 5,600 × 150 ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 27; commercial, flight instructor; airplane ratings: multi-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 2, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; seat: right; flight hours: 505 total, 39 in this make and model, 430 as pilot in command, 175 in the last 90 days, 3 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 180° at 8 knots
- Visibility: 20 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none
- Altimeter: 30.00 inHg

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19860901044599A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19860901044599A), Sep 1, 1986: Piper PA38112, New Haven, CT, Substantial damage. The aircraft landed hard during a simulated engine failure during takeoff. Instructor failed to take timely control

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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