# NTSB NYC87LA019: Piper PA-38, N60CS, Leroy, NY, October 15, 1986

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: October 15, 1986, 13:00 local (17:00 UTC)
- Place: Leroy, NY
- Location: 42.9813° N, 77.9352° W: Placed by OpenAirDocs at LE ROY (5G0), within about a mile (OpenAirDocs)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=42.9813&lon=-77.9352&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 2 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 30550
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=NYC87LA019
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/30550/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC87LA019

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Hard landing, landing - flare/touchdown
  - airspeed - improper, pilot in command(cfi) (cause)
  - flare - misjudged, pilot in command(cfi) (cause)
- Loss of control - on ground/water, landing - roll
  - directional control - not maintained, pilot in command(cfi) (cause)
  - ground loop/swerve - uncontrolled, pilot in command(cfi) (cause)
- On ground/water collision with object, landing - roll

## Analysis

FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR SIMULATING AN EMERGENCY LANDING, LANDED ON MAIN LANDING GEARS AND TAIL. AIRCRAFT VEERED TO THE RIGHT OFF THE RUNWAY AND COLLIDED WITH BUSHES.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N60CS](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N60CS-2013-07-19), registration cancelled 2013-07-19, S/N 38-78A0162, built 1978 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-38
- Registry model: [Piper PA-38-112](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-38-112) (registry code 7103812) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Lycoming 0-235 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-235-series) (registry code 41505, 4 cycle) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 38-78A0162
- Airframe hours: 815
- Engines: LYCOMING O-235-L2C 112 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Instructional, Part 91
- Registered owner: William D. Bader
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, May 7, 1986, 18 hours before
- Airport: 5G0, Leroy, runway 28, 2,650 × 35 ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 28; commercial; airplane ratings: single-engine land, multi-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 2, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; seat: right; flight hours: 309 total, 15 in this make and model, 167 as pilot in command, 83 in the last 90 days

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 270° at 10 knots, gusting 15
- Visibility: 7 statute miles
- Altimeter: 29.00 inHg

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19861015049149A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19861015049149A), Oct 15, 1986: Piper PA38112, Leroy, NY, Substantial damage. The aircraft veered off the side of the runway on landing. Airspeed was low and the tail contacted the runway.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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