# NTSB NYC87LA037: Piper J3, N58380, Montgomery, NY, November 23, 1986

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: November 23, 1986, 10:45 local (15:45 UTC)
- Place: Montgomery, NY
- Coordinates: 41.520759, -74.229118 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=41.5208&lon=-74.2291&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Taxi](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/250) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 2 uninjured
- Status: Completed, report March 10, 1988
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 30561
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=NYC87LA037
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/30561/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC87LA037

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- On ground/water collision with object, taxi
  - object - aircraft parked/standing (contributing factor)
  - clearance - misjudged, pilot in command (cause)
- On ground/water collision with object, standing - engine(s) operating
  - object - aircraft parked/standing (contributing factor)
  - clearance - misjudged, pilot of other aircraft (cause)

## Analysis (aircraft 2)

WHILE TAXIING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TAXIWAY THE PROPELLER OF N58380 CONTACTED THE WING OF N7416T. N58380 THEN ROTATED AND IT'S WING CONTACTED THE WING OF N7416T. N7416T WAS STOPPED ALONGSIDE THE TAXIWAY WHEN THE ACCIDENT OCCURRED.

## Aircraft 1

- Registration: N58380 (not matched to a registry record)
- Reported make and model: PIPER J3
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 8854
- Airframe hours: 2500
- Engines: CONTINENTAL A-65-8 65 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Personal, Part 91
- Registered owner: Bruno Ferrett
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, May 1, 1986
- Departed: SUSSEX, NJ
- Destination: MONTGOMERY, NJ
- Airport: MGJ, Orange

## Aircraft 2

- Registration: [N7416T](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N7416T), registered now, S/N 47016, built 1959 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: CESSNA 172
- Registry model: [Cessna 172A](https://openairdocs.org/model/cessna-172a) (registry code 2072404) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Continental 0-300 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/continental-0-300-series) (registry code 17022, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 47016
- Airframe hours: 2883
- Engines: CONTINENTAL O-300 145 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Personal, Part 91
- Registered owner: Warren Conklin
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, November 4, 1986, 5 hours before
- Airport: MGJ, Orange

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot, aircraft N58380; age 41; commercial; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 2, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; flight hours: 2,880 total, 25 in the last 90 days
- Pilot, aircraft N7416T; age 66; private; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 3, unknown; seat: left; flight hours: 500 total, 150 in this make and model, 500 as pilot in command, 15 in the last 90 days, 5 in the last 30 days

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Lowest ceiling: none

## FAA reports on this event (2)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19861123083851A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19861123083851A), Nov 23, 1986: Piper J3C65, Montgomery, NY, Substantial damage. Propeller struck the wing of a Cessna N7416T while taxiing for takeoff. Other aircraft had stopped beside taxiway.
- [Accident 19861123083852A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19861123083852A), Nov 23, 1986: Cessna 172A, Montgomery, NY, Substantial damage. Was struck by a J3 cub N58380 while holding on taxiway for takeoff. The cub pilot failed to see the 172.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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