# NTSB NYC87LA043: Piper PA-28-161, N8297Y, Pine Bush, NY, November 30, 1986

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · Minor injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: November 30, 1986, 11:30 local (16:30 UTC)
- Place: Pine Bush, NY
- Coordinates: 41.600318, -74.28926 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=41.6003&lon=-74.2893&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Enroute](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/400) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: Minor injuries
- Injuries: 1 minor, 1 uninjured
- Status: Completed, report February 3, 1988
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 30566
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=NYC87LA043
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/30566/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC87LA043

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Loss of engine power, descent
  - emergency procedure - simulated, pilot in command(cfi)
  - reason for occurrence undetermined (cause)
- In flight collision with object, descent - emergency
  - object - tree(s)
- In flight collision with terrain/water, descent - emergency

## Analysis

THE CFI AND STUDENT WERE PRACTICING A SIMULATED ENG FAILURE WHEN THE ACCIDENT OCCURRED. AT 1700 FT MSL, DURING THE SIMULATED EMERGENCY DESCENT, THE CFI APPLIED FULL THROTTLE TO TERMINATE THE SIMULATION AND ENG PWR COULD NOT BE REGAINED. DURING THE FORCED LANDING APCH, THE ACFT CONTACTED TREES AND A PIECE OF FARM EQUIPMENT. CAUSE OF THE POWER LOSS WAS NOT DETERMINED.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N8297Y](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N8297Y-2013-03-25), registration cancelled 2013-03-25, S/N 28-8116085, built 1980 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-28-161
- Registry model: [Piper PA-28-161](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-28-161) (registry code 7102803) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Lycoming 0-320 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-320-series) (registry code 41508, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 28-8116085
- Airframe hours: 2924
- Engines: LYCOMING O-320-D3G 160 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Personal, Part 91
- Registered owner: General Aviation
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, January 16, 1986, 70 hours before
- Departed: TEB, TETERBORO, NJ

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 22; flight instructor, commercial; airplane ratings: single-engine land, multi-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 1, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; seat: right; flight hours: 850 total, 350 in this make and model, 730 as pilot in command, 378 in the last 90 days

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 270° at 10 knots
- Visibility: 20 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none
- Temperature: 50 °F

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19861130087209A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19861130087209A), Nov 30, 1986: Piper PA28161, Pine Bush, NY, Substantial damage. Engine quit when throttle was opened during engine fail practice. Unable to restart. On landing hit farm equipment.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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