# NTSB NYC91FA136: Piper PA-24-250, N7808P, Ravenna, OH, May 18, 1991

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · Fatal · Field investigation · Final report
- Date: May 18, 1991, 11:47 local (15:47 UTC)
- Place: Ravenna, OH
- Coordinates: 41.149116, -81.23983 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=41.1491&lon=-81.2398&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Approach](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/500) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: Fatal
- Injuries: 2 fatal
- Status: Completed, report March 2, 1993
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 36793
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=NYC91FA136
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/36793/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC91FA136

## Probable cause

FAILURE OF THE INSTRUCTOR PILOT (CFI) TO ASSURE THAT ADEQUATE AIRSPEED WAS MAINTAINED, AFTER MANEUVERING (TURNING) FOR SPACING BEHIND ANOTHER AIRCRAFT, WHICH RESULTED IN AN INADVERTENT STALL/MUSH.  FACTORS RELATED TO THE ACCIDENT WERE: THE IMPROPERLY PLANNED APPROACH AND THE CFI'S LACK OF FLIGHT EXPERIENCE IN THE MAKE AND MODEL OF AIRCRAFT.

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Loss of control - in flight, approach
  - planned approach - improper (contributing factor)
  - maneuver - performed
  - airspeed - not maintained, pilot in command(cfi) (cause)
  - stall/mush - inadvertent, pilot in command(cfi)
  - lack of total experience in type of aircraft, pilot in command(cfi) (contributing factor)
- In flight collision with object, approach
  - object - tree(s)

## Analysis

THE WIFE OF THE AIRPLANE OWNER WAS RECEIVING INSTRUCTION IN A 'PINCH HITTER' COURSE.  A GUIDELINE FOR INSTRUCTORS OF THIS COURSE REFERENCED MAXIMUM BANK ANGLES OF 30 DEGREES AND TO NOT FRIGHTEN THE STUDENT.  AFTER ONE TOUCH AND GO, THE AIRPLANE WAS OBSERVED TO ENTER A STEEP 360 DEGREE TURN FOR APPARENT SPACING BEHIND ANOTHER AIRCRAFT.  THE AIRCRAFT THEN DESCENDED AND DISAPPEAR BEHIND TREES.  WITNESSES HEARD A SURGE OF POWER BEFORE IMPACT.  AN EXAM OF THE FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR'S (CFI'S) LOGBOOK SHOWED HE HAD NOT LOGGED FLIGHT TIME IN THE MAKE AND MODEL OF AIRPLANE, THOUGH HE HAD FLOWN ON A PREVIOUS FLIGHT WITH THE OWNER.  THE LOG BOOK WAS CURRENT THROUGH TWO DAYS BEFORE THE ACCIDENT.  NO PREIMPACT PART FAILURE OR MALFUNCTION OF THE AIRCRAFT OR ENGINE WAS FOUND.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N7808P](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N7808P-1992-12-24), registration cancelled 1992-12-24, S/N 243028 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-24-250
- Registry model: [Piper PA-24-250](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-24-250) (registry code 7102404) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 24-3028
- Airframe hours: 4981
- Engines: LYCOMING O-540-A 250 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Destroyed
- Flight: Instructional, Part 91
- Operator: William C. Jaeck
- Registered owner: William C. Jaeck
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, May 21, 1990, 128 hours before
- Airport: 29G, Portage County, runway 9, 3,500 × 75 ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 43; flight instructor, commercial; airplane ratings: multi-engine land, single-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 2, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; toxicology performed; flight hours: 2,401 total, 1 in this make and model, 1,306 as pilot in command, 84 in the last 90 days, 24 in the last 30 days, 1 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Visibility: 5 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19910518016349A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19910518016349A), May 18, 1991: Piper PA24250, Ravenna, OH, Destroyed, 2 fatal. Crashed while making steep left turn for short final approach.

## Other investigations on N7808P (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB UNK64X0363](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/UNK64X0363), Jan 26, 1964: Piper PA24 (N7808P), Baltimore, MD, substantial damage

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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