# NTSB SEA83LA001: Piper PA-12, N2343M, Salmon, ID, September 30, 1982

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: September 30, 1982, 13:45 local (19:45 UTC)
- Place: Salmon, ID
- Coordinates: 44.999431, -113.860839 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=44.9994&lon=-113.8608&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Takeoff](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/300) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 1 uninjured
- Status: Completed, report September 30, 1983
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 72468
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=SEA83LA001
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/72468/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/SEA83LA001

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Loss of control - on ground/water, takeoff - roll/run
  - airport facilities,runway/landing area condition - snow covered (contributing factor)
  - airport facilities,runway/landing area condition - slush covered (contributing factor)
  - unsuitable terrain or takeoff/landing/taxi area - selected, pilot in command (cause)
  - directional control - not possible, pilot in command
  - ground loop/swerve - uncontrolled, pilot in command
- Nose over, takeoff - roll/run

## Analysis

THE PLT REPORTED THAT THE STRIP HAD ABOUT 1,500 FT OF USABLE LENGTH, THE REMAINING 3,050 FT CONSISTED OF UNPACKED SNOW &SLUSH. THE USABLE WIDTH OF THE FIRST 1,500 FT WAS REPORTED AS 8-12 FT. AT THE TIME OF TAKEOFF THE FIRST 1,500 FT WAS COVERED WITH HARD PACKED MELTING SNOW & SOME SLUSH. ABOUT 200 FT INTO THE TAKEOFF ROLL THE ACFT ENCOUNTERED A DEEP AREA OF SNOW/SLUSH. DIRECTIONAL CONTROL WAS LOST & THE ACFT VEERED OFF THE RWY COMING TO A STOP INVERTED.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N2343M](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N2343M-2021-02-10), registration cancelled 2021-02-10, S/N 12-1603 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-12
- Registry model: [Piper PA-12](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-12) (registry code 7101202) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Lycoming 0-235 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-235-series) (registry code 41505, 4 cycle) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 121603
- Airframe hours: 3480
- Engines: LYCOMING O-320-E2D 150 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Personal, Part 91
- Operator: Agricultural Insurance Adminis
- Registered owner: Reed Taylor
- Departed: U81, SALMON, ID
- Destination: U60, BIG CREEK, ID
- Airport: U81, Cold Meadows U.S.F.S., runway 17, 4,550 × 90 ft, dirt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 30; commercial, flight instructor; airplane ratings: multi-engine land, single-engine sea, single-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 1, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; flight hours: 2,470 total, 12 in this make and model, 2,360 as pilot in command, 243 in the last 90 days, 76 in the last 30 days, 3 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: variable at 12 knots
- Visibility: 30 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: 3,000 ft overcast
- Temperature: 104 °F
- Altimeter: 30.00 inHg

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19820930052479A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19820930052479A), Sep 30, 1982: Piper PA12, Salmon, ID, Substantial damage. Airplane hit slush on snow packed runway on takeoff. Veered into snow berm on runway edge and nosed up.

## Other investigations on N2343M (2)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB LAX07LA195](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX07LA195), Jun 16, 2007: Piper PA-12 (N2343M), Imnaha, OR, substantial damage. Probable cause: The pilot's failure to maintain directional control during the landing roll.
- [NTSB SEA07CA065](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/SEA07CA065), Feb 23, 2007: Piper PA-12 (N2343M), Lewiston, ID, substantial damage. Probable cause: the inadvertent use of the rudder by the passenger, which resulted in an inadvertent ground loop.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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