# NTSB SEA84LA211: Hayes Quickie Q2, N4416Q, Puyallup, WA, August 22, 1984 - Type: NTSB accident investigation - Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report - Date: August 22, 1984, 15:15 local (22:15 UTC) - Place: Puyallup, WA - Coordinates: 47.240737, -122.629531 (estimated) - Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=47.2407&lon=-122.6295&mi=10 - Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping) - Highest injury: No injuries - Injuries: 1 uninjured - Status: Completed - Report: Approved by Office Director - NTSB case key (mKey): 39998 - NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=SEA84LA211 - NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/39998/pdf - Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/SEA84LA211 ## Sequence of events In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf). - Loss of control - in flight, landing - flare/touchdown - aircraft performance,landing capability - deteriorated (contributing factor) - flare - not possible, pilot in command (cause) - aircraft performance,landing capability - improper (contributing factor) - maintenance,modification - not followed, pilot in command (cause) - wing,skin - improper (contributing factor) - directional control - not maintained, pilot in command (cause) - recovery from bounced landing - not attained, pilot in command (cause) - Hard landing, landing - flare/touchdown - ground loop/swerve - uncontrolled, pilot in command (cause) ## Analysis THE PLT REPORTED THAT HE HAD PLACED 50 LBS OF SAND IN THE ACFT BAGGAGE COMPARTMENT TO COMPLEMENT THE ACFT CG. DURING TAKEOFF THE ACFT WAS VERY NOSE HEAVY. HE ELECTED TO MAKE 2 LANDINGS AT TACOMA WHERE THE NOSE DROPPED SEVERELY WHILE THE PLT ATTEMPTED TO FLARE. HE THEN FLEW LOCALLY TO BURN FUEL. AFTER OVER AN HOUR OF FLYING HE RETURNED TO TACOMA FOR ANOTHER LANDING. THE SAME NOSE HEAVY TENDENCY EXISTED. THE PLT RETURNED TO PUYALLUP FOR LANDING WHERE THE ACFT DROPPED HEAVILY AND BOUNCED. IN A GO-AROUND ATTEMPT THE ACFT NOSED DOWN AND VEERED OFF THE RWY. THE MANUFACTURER OF THE ACFT KITHAD PUBLISHED INFORMATION IN A NEWSLETTER ABOUT A YEAR AGO ON WAYS TO CORRECT NOSE HEAVINESS. THIS INFORMATION HAD BEEN SENT TO THE OWNER/PLT OF N4416Q. ## Aircraft - Registration: [N4416Q](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N4416Q-1997-03-25), registration cancelled 1997-03-25, S/N 2584 (OpenAirDocs) - Reported make and model: HAYES QUICKIE Q2 - Registry model: [Hardesty/Hays QUICKIE Q2](https://openairdocs.org/model/hardesty-hays-quickie-q2) (registry code 05645QP) (OpenAirDocs) - Category: Airplane, amateur-built - Serial number: 2684 - Airframe hours: 10 - Engines: REVMASTER 2100D 64 horsepower reciprocating - Damage: Substantial damage - Flight: Personal, Part 91 - Registered owner: Johnny M. Hays - Airworthiness certificate: Special, Experimental (Special) - Departed: 1SO, PUYALLUP, WA - Destination: 1SO, PUYALLUP, WA - Airport: 1SO, Puyallup Industrial Airpk, runway 17, 3,300 × 40 ft, asphalt ## Flight crew As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names. - Pilot; age 57; airline transport; airplane ratings: multi-engine land, single-engine land, single-engine sea; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 2, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; seat: left; flight hours: 12,000 total, 10 in this make and model, 9,500 as pilot in command, 10 in the last 90 days, 2 in the last 24 hours ## Weather - Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day - Wind: 160° at 5 knots - Visibility: 30 statute miles - Lowest ceiling: 12,000 ft broken - Altimeter: 30.00 inHg - Observed at: TCM, 23 nm away ## FAA reports on this event (1) The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs). - [Accident 19840822061539A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19840822061539A), Aug 22, 1984: Amtrqk QUICKIE2, Puyallup, WA, Substantial damage. Bounced and lost control on landing. Reported nose heavy problem. Forward wing roughness and pilot skill factors. ## Other investigations on N4416Q (2) From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. - [NTSB SEA96LA023](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/SEA96LA023), Nov 24, 1995: Hardesty/Hays Quickie Q2 (N4416Q), Puyallup, WA, destroyed, 1 fatal. Probable cause: a loss of engine power for undetermined reasons, the pilot's failure to maintain adequate airspeed, and his improper decision to attempt a 180-degree turn back toward the runway during the forced… - [NTSB SEA90LA126](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/SEA90LA126), Jul 9, 1990: Hardesty/Hays Quickie Q2 (N4416Q), Twisp, WA, destroyed. Probable cause: THE PILOT'S FAILURE TO MAINTAIN DIRECTIONAL CONTROL DURING THE LANDING ROLL. FACTORS RELATED TO THE ACCIDENT WERE: THE HIGH WEEDS ON THE SIDES OF THE GRASS/DIRT STRIP AND THE DIRT BERM. From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. --- OpenAirDocs.org is an independent research project of [Contrail Labs](https://contraillabs.com/). It is not affiliated with the FAA or the NTSB. Source documents are U.S. government works in the public domain.