# NTSB UNK65X0450: Piper PA24, N8191P, Elsinore, CA, October 27, 1964

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Closed
- Date: October 27, 1964
- Place: Elsinore, CA · ELSINORE, CA
- Location: 33.6681° N, 117.3273° W: Placed by OpenAirDocs: center of Lake Elsinore, CA, within about 6 miles (OpenAirDocs)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=33.6681&lon=-117.3273&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 1 uninjured
- Status: Completed, report December 29, 1964
- Report: Brief approved by the director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 180932
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=UNK65X0450
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/UNK65X0450

## NTSB brief

```
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 FILE    DATE          LOCATION          AIRCRAFT DATA       INJURIES       FLIGHT                        PILOT DATA
                                                               F  S M/N     PURPOSE
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3-3341  64/10/27   ELSINORE CALIF      PIPER PA24          CR-  0  0  1  NONCOMMERCIAL             STUDENT, AGE 31, 103
        TIME - 1130                    N8191P              PX-  0  0  0  BUSINESS                  TOTAL HOURS, 90 IN TYPE,
                                       DAMAGE-SUBSTANTIAL  OT-  0  0  0                            NOT INSTRUMENT RATED.
        NAME OF AIRPORT - LAKE ELSINORE
        TYPE OF ACCIDENT                                         PHASE OF OPERATION
           OVERSHOOT                                                LANDING: ROLL
           COLLIDED WITH: DITCHES                                   LANDING: ROLL
        PROBABLE CAUSE(S)
           PILOT IN COMMAND - MISJUDGED DISTANCE AND SPEED
```

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N8191P](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N8191P), registered now, S/N 24-3447 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA24
- Registry model: [Piper PA-24-250](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-24-250) (registry code 7102404) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Lycoming 0-540 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-540-series) (registry code 41532, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Engines: reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Airport: Lake Elsinore

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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