ANC98LA047

NTSB accident investigation · Cessna A185F · Talkeetna, AK · May 16, 1998

Accident · Minor injuriesLimited investigationFinal report
Date
May 16, 1998, 15:50 local (23:50 UTC)
Place
Talkeetna, AK
Injuries
1 minor, 3 uninjured
Damage
Substantial damage
Phase of flight
Landing
Aircraft
N1473FCessna A185F
Weather
Visual (VMC) · Day
Status
Completed · report November 17, 1999
Report
Approved by Office Director
NTSB office
Alaska Regional Office
FAA report
19980516009449A
Case key
3137

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Probable cause

The pilot selected the wrong runway and intentionally ground looped to stop the airplane. Related factors were the tailwind and whiteout conditions.

Sequence of events

NTSB’s coding before 2008: each occurrence and phase of flight, and the causes and factors under it. The codes are defined in NTSB’s coding manual.

OverrunLanding - roll
Weather condition - tailwindFactor
Weather condition - whiteoutFactor
Wrong runway - selectedPilot in commandCause
On ground/water encounter with terrain/waterLanding - roll
Terrain condition - snow covered
Ground loop/swerve - intentionalPilot in commandCause

Analysis

The pilot and witnesses described the airplane touching down with a 20 knot tailwind on the last 25 percent of the approximately 600 feet long, packed snow, landing area. The pilot said that on short final he recognized the tailwind, but because of terrain there was not maneuvering room to attempt a go around. The airplane bounced, and overran the landing area. The pilot said he lost forward visibility in whiteout conditions, and intentionally ground looped the airplane to stop.

Factual narrative

On May 16, 1998, at 1550 Alaska daylight time, a wheel/ski equipped Cessna A185F, N1473F, sustained substantial damage during landing on the Kahiltna Glacier, 47 miles west-northwest of Talkeetna, Alaska. The commercial pilot and two passengers were not injured. The remaining passenger sustained minor injuries. The flight was conducted under 14 CFR Part 135 as an on-demand air taxi, transporting three mountain climbers to the 7,200 feet msl seasonal base camp for Mount McKinley. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of the accident, and a VFR flight plan was filed.

The passengers stated during an interview with the NTSB Investigator-In-Charge (IIC) that a broken fog layer was located on the approach end of the landing area. The passengers indicated the airplane touched down beyond the fog bank, bounced twice, banked left, and the left wing contacted the snow. A private pilot witness estimated there was a 20 knot tailwind. He described the airplane making a fast, steep approach, and touching down beyond the spot where other airplanes were landing. He said the airplane bounced twice, and then dragged the left wing.

The pilot told the NTSB IIC in an interview and wrote in his Pilot/Operator Report that he was landing over a fog layer, and that on final approach at 300 feet agl, he recognized there was an upslope tailwind. He stated there was not sufficient room to do a go around, and that he was committed to land.

The pilot described touching down on the last 25% of the prepared landing area, bouncing into the air, and experiencing a whiteout condition when looking into the combination of clouds and snow. Unsure of what was in front of the airplane, he intentionally applied full left rudder and aileron to ground loop the airplane and stop. The airplane came to rest about 300 feet beyond the end of the packed down area, in deep snow.

The landing area consists of about 300 feet of soft snow where pilots attempt to touch down and decelerate, and 300 feet of packed snow which is used for stopping and taxiing.

Aircraft

Registration
N1473F
Reported as
Cessna A185F
Category
Airplane
Serial number
18502851
Airframe hours
4,190
Engine
Continental IO-520D, 300 horsepower, reciprocating
Damage
Substantial damage
Flight
Part 135
Registered owner
Douglas E. Geeting
Airworthiness certificate
Standard, Normal
Last inspection
100 hour · October 3, 1997 · 50 hours before
Departed
TKA · AK
Destination
Kahiltna Glacie, AK
Flight plan
VFR

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Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

Role
Pilot
Age
57
Certificate
Commercial
Airplane ratings
Single-engine land
Instrument ratings
Airplane
Medical
Class 2, Valid Medical--w/ waivers/lim
Seat
Left
Flight hours
8,000 total · 500 in this make and model · 7,800 as pilot in command · 70 in the last 90 days · 48 in the last 30 days

Weather

Conditions
Visual (VMC) · Day
Wind
150° at 20 knots
Visibility
5 statute miles
Lowest ceiling
500 ft broken
Temperature
39 °F

FAA reports on this event · 1

The FAA’s own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date.