- Date
- September 10, 1979
- Place
- Ramona, CA · RAMONA, CA
- Injuries
- 1 fatal, 1 uninjured
- Phase of flight
- Approach
- Status
- Completed · report July 18, 1980
- Report
- Brief approved by the director
- FAA reports
- 19790910041132A19790910041131A
- Case key
- 132802
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NTSB brief
NTSB’s brief of the accident, as it was printed: the coded facts, with the probable cause and factors.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3-3900 79/9/10 RAMONA,CA GRUMMAN TS-2A CR- 0 0 1 COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL, FL.INSTR., TIME - 1758 N405DF PX- 0 0 0 ASSOC FIRE CTL ACTIVITY AGE 52, 9000 TOTAL HOURS, DAMAGE-SUBSTANTIAL OT- 1 0 0 775 IN TYPE, INSTRUMENT RATED. NAME OF AIRPORT - RAMONA DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION RAMONA,CA LOCAL TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION COLLISION WITH AIRCRAFT: BOTH IN FLIGHT LANDING: TRAFFIC PATTERN-CIRCLING PROBABLE CAUSE(S) PILOT IN COMMAND - FAILED TO SEE AND AVOID OTHER AIRCRAFT PERSONNEL - MISCELLANEOUS-PERSONNEL: PILOT OF OTHER AIRCRAFT SPECIAL DATA SEGMENTS OF AVIATION INVOLVED - SMALL US GEN.AV.-LARGE US GEN.AV. CONTROLLING AGENCY - NO CONTROL RADAR CTL/SURVEILLANCE - NOT UNDER RADAR CONTACT TRAFFIC ADVISORY ISSUED - NONE CONTROLLED/UNCONTROLLED AIRPORT - UNCONTROLLED AIRPORT CONTROL ZONE/AREA - NO CONVERGENCE ANGLE-DEGREES - 45 HORIZONTAL COLLISION ANGLE-DEGREES - 90 VERTICAL COLLISION ANGLE-DEGREES - 0 EVASIVE ACTION TAKEN - UNKNOWN/NOT REPORTED
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3-3900 79/9/10 RAMONA,CA PIPER PA-38 CR- 1 0 0 INSTRUCTIONAL STUDENT, AGE 21, 50 TOTAL TIME - 1758 N2440D PX- 0 0 0 TRAINING HOURS, ALL IN TYPE, NOT DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0 1 INSTRUMENT RATED. NAME OF AIRPORT - RAMONA DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION LAST ENROUTE STOP SAN DIEGO,CA RETURN RAMONA,CA TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION COLLISION WITH AIRCRAFT: BOTH IN FLIGHT LANDING: TRAFFIC PATTERN-CIRCLING PROBABLE CAUSE(S) PILOT IN COMMAND - FAILED TO SEE AND AVOID OTHER AIRCRAFT PERSONNEL - MISCELLANEOUS-PERSONNEL: PILOT OF OTHER AIRCRAFT SPECIAL DATA SEGMENTS OF AVIATION INVOLVED - SMALL US GEN.AV.-LARGE US GEN.AV. CONTROLLING AGENCY - NO CONTROL RADAR CTL/SURVEILLANCE - NOT UNDER RADAR CONTACT TRAFFIC ADVISORY ISSUED - NONE CONTROLLED/UNCONTROLLED AIRPORT - UNCONTROLLED AIRPORT CONTROL ZONE/AREA - NO CONVERGENCE ANGLE-DEGREES - 45 HORIZONTAL COLLISION ANGLE-DEGREES - 90 VERTICAL COLLISION ANGLE-DEGREES - 0 EVASIVE ACTION TAKEN - UNKNOWN/NOT REPORTED
Aircraft · 2
- Registration
- N2440D
- Reported as
- Piper PA-38
- Category
- Airplane
- Engine
- reciprocating
- Damage
- Destroyed
- Airport
- Ramona
Matched to the registry by N-number and the event date; the registry’s history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.
- Registration
- N405DF
- Reported as
- Grumman TS-2A
- Category
- Airplane
- Engine
- reciprocating
- Damage
- Substantial damage
- Airport
- Ramona
N405DFRegistration cancelled Jul 14, 1998 · Grumman S2F-1 (TS-2A)Airframe modelGrumman S2F-1 (TS-2A)
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FAA reports on this event · 2
The FAA’s own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date.
Accident 19790910041132APiper PA38112 · Ramona, CAStudent on high/wide downwind began descending turn to base. Was struck by larger, faster overtaking airplane.Accident 19790910041131AGrumav S2F · Ramona, CAOvertook small airplane on downwind. Small plane made base leg turn in front of him. Not seen until last seconds.