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NTSB accident investigation · Piper PA-28-181 · Pacoima, CA · May 11, 1985

Accident · No injuriesLimited investigationFinal report
Date
May 11, 1985, 12:00 local (19:00 UTC)
Place
Pacoima, CA
Injuries
1 uninjured
Damage
Substantial damage
Phase of flight
Landing
Aircraft
N4378NPiper PA-28-181
Weather
Visual (VMC) · Day
Status
Completed
Report
Approved by Office Director
FAA report
19850511017019A
Case key
24726

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Sequence of events

NTSB’s coding before 2008: each occurrence and phase of flight, and the causes and factors under it. The codes are defined in NTSB’s coding manual.

Loss of control - on ground/waterLanding - roll
Terrain condition - softFactor
Airspeed(vref) - excessivePilot in commandFactor
Proper alignment - not maintainedPilot in commandFactor
Directional control - not maintainedPilot in commandCause
On ground/water collision with objectLanding - roll
Object - fenceFactor

Analysis

Plt attempted a no-flap landing during which excessive airspeed was used. The acft drifted off the right side of the rwy during the flare and subsequently touched down in soft terrain. While braking directional control was lost and the acft collided with a fence.

Aircraft

Registration
N4378N
Reported as
Piper PA-28-181
Category
Airplane
Serial number
28-8590012
Airframe hours
160
Engine
Lycoming O-360-A4M, 180 horsepower, reciprocating
Damage
Substantial damage
Flight
Personal · Part 91
Registered owner
Dollard H. Cadoret
Airworthiness certificate
Standard, Normal
Departed
SZP · Santa Paula, CA
Destination
WHP
Airport
WHP · Whiteman, runway 12, 3,725 × 40 ft, asphalt

Matched to the registry by N-number and the event date; the registry’s history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

Role
Pilot
Age
53
Certificate
Private
Airplane ratings
Single-engine land
Medical
Class 3, Valid Medical--no waivers/lim.
Seat
Left
Flight hours
541 total · 26 in this make and model · 37 in the last 90 days

Weather

Conditions
Visual (VMC) · Day
Wind
130° at 5 knots
Visibility
10 statute miles
Lowest ceiling
3,500 ft broken
Temperature
63 °F, dew point 45 °F
Altimeter
30.00 inHg
Observed at
VNY, 5 nm away

FAA reports on this event · 1

The FAA’s own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date.