NYC85LA235

NTSB accident investigation · Piper PA-38-112 · Madison, CT · September 15, 1985

Accident · No injuriesLimited investigationFinal report
Date
September 15, 1985, 17:45 local (21:45 UTC)
Place
Madison, CT
Injuries
2 uninjured
Damage
Substantial damage
Phase of flight
Approach
Aircraft
N2387PPiper PA-38-112
Weather
Visual (VMC) · Day
Status
Completed
Report
Approved by Office Director
FAA report
19850915076419A
Case key
35964

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Sequence of events

NTSB’s coding before 2008: each occurrence and phase of flight, and the causes and factors under it. The codes are defined in NTSB’s coding manual.

UndershootApproach - vfr pattern - final approach
Distance - misjudgedDual studentCause
Altitude - misjudgedDual studentCause
Supervision - inadequatePilot in command(cfi)Cause
In flight collision with terrain/waterApproach - vfr pattern - final approach
Terrain condition - high vegetation
Clearance - not maintainedDual studentCause
Remedial action - delayedPilot in command(cfi)Cause

Analysis

While on the downwind leg for rwy 24, the instructor reduced power to idle for engine failure simulation. The student made a short approach and upon reaching 700 ft AGL the student headed directly toward the approach end of the rwy at a 30 deg angle from rwy heading. On short final the acft was turned for rwy alignment and power was added to avoid reeds that obstruct the approach path of the rwy. The l wing and main gear struck the weeds. The acft came to rest on grass area short of rwwy. The reeds are 8 to 10 ft high and 100 ft from the rwy threshold.

Aircraft

Registration
N2387P
Reported as
Piper PA-38-112
Category
Airplane
Serial number
38-79AO972
Airframe hours
1,899
Engine
Lycoming O-235 SERIES, 112 horsepower, reciprocating
Damage
Substantial damage
Flight
Instructional · Part 91
Registered owner
Shoreline Aviation, Inc.
Airworthiness certificate
Standard, Utility; Standard, Normal
Last inspection
100 hour · May 31, 1985 · 99 hours before
Departed
HVN · New Haven, CT
Airport
NO4 · Griswold, runway 24, 1,800 × 50 ft, asphalt

Matched to the registry by N-number and the event date; the registry’s history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

Role
Pilot
Age
28
Certificates
Flight instructor, Commercial
Airplane ratings
Single-engine land, Multi-engine land
Instrument ratings
Airplane
Medical
Class 2, Valid Medical--no waivers/lim.
Seat
Right
Flight hours
1,012 total · 238 in this make and model · 937 as pilot in command

Weather

Conditions
Visual (VMC) · Day
Wind
0° at 9 knots
Visibility
20 statute miles
Lowest ceiling
None
Temperature
72 °F, dew point 43 °F
Altimeter
30.00 inHg

FAA reports on this event · 1

The FAA’s own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date.