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Accident · Substantial damage

FAA accident report · Piper PA-22-160 · Talkeetna, AK · September 17, 2012

Date: September 17, 2012 · 12:30 local
Place: Talkeetna, AK
Airport: Montana Creek Airport
Phase of flight: Maneuver
Operating rules: General operating rules (Part 91)
Damage: Substantial damage
Aircraft: N8433D
NTSB investigation: NTSBANC12LA107
Reported as: Piper PA-22-160
Reported engine: Lycoming 0-320 series
People aboard: 2
Fatal injuries: 0
Other injuries: 2
Pilot’s certificates: Commercial pilot, flight instructor
Pilot’s flight hours: 1,000 total25 in this make and model250 in the last 90 days

N8433DRegistration cancelled Dec 31, 2022 · Piper PA-22-160S/N 22-5688 · Built 1958 Airframe modelPiper PA-22-160 Engine modelLycoming 0-320 seriesReciprocating

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What happened

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PA-22 accident near Montana Creek:a telecom with a state trooper reveals that the CFI was PIC for this flight from Talkeetna to willow airport for a student's initial flight lesson in tailwheel aircraft and was to be conducted at the willow airport. The passenger is a private pilot and he asked the CFI to demonstrate a stall. The CFI demonstrated a stall and was unable to recover. The aircraft hit the ground and both PIC and passenger sustained injuries. The CFI recalls a different set of circumstances: stalls were not performed, but rather the CFI was flying at low altitude (200') when he reduced power to 50% and demonstrated a simulated engine failure at low altitude. The nose dropped and the aircraft hit the ground. The pilot and the CFI sustained injuries and the CFI is still in the hospital.

As the FAA filed it

PA-22 ACCIDENT NEAR MONTANA CREEK:A TELECOM WITH A STATE TROOPER REVEALS THAT THE CFI WAS PIC FOR THIS FLIGHT FROM TALKEETNA TO WILLOW AIRPORT FOR A STUDENT'S INITIAL FLIGHT LESSON IN TAILWHEEL AIRCRAFT AND WAS TO BE CONDUCTED AT THE WILLOW AIRPORT. THE PASSENGER IS A PRIVATE PILOT AND HE ASKED THE CFI TO DEMONSTRATE A STALL. THE CFI DEMONSTRATED A STALL AND WAS UNABLE TO RECOVER. THE AIRCRAFT HIT THE GROUND AND BOTH PIC AND PASSENGER SUSTAINED INJURIES.THE CFI RECALLS A DIFFERENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES: STALLS WERE NOT PERFORMED, BUT RATHER THE CFI WAS FLYING AT LOW ALTITUDE (200') WHEN HE REDUCED POWER TO 50% AND DEMONSTRATED A SIMULATED ENGINE FAILURE AT LOW ALTITUDE. THE NOSE DROPPED AND THE AIRCRAFT HIT THE GROUND.THE PILOT AND THE CFI SUSTAINED INJURIES AND THE CFI IS STILL IN THE HOSPITAL.

NTSB investigation

The NTSB’s investigation of this event, with its probable cause and findings. Matched to this report by N-number and date.

NTSB ANC12LA107Accident · Serious injuriesLimited investigationFinal reportTalkeetna, AKThe flight instructor's failure to maintain adequate airspeed while maneuvering at a low altitude, which resulted in an inadvertent stall.Sep 17, 2012 · Substantial damage

Other reports on N8433D · 2

Matched to the same aircraft by N-number and date.

Accident 20080810857729ALanding · Talkeetna, AKThe pilot stated that he and his passenger departed carl's landing airstrip (AK19) on a personnel flight. On returning to the airstrip, a normal approach was performed to land to the west due to prevailing winds. The airstrip slopes down to the west. After…Aug 10, 2008 · Substantial damage Accident 19870808043969ARoll-Out (Fixed Wing) · Greeley, COLost directional control on a wheel landing roll during dual instruction. Aircraft departed runway. Ground looped.Aug 8, 1987 · Substantial damage