LAX85FA202

NTSB accident investigation · Cessna 172M · Camp Verde, AZ · April 14, 1985

Accident · FatalField investigationFinal report
Date
April 14, 1985, 10:00 local (17:00 UTC)
Place
Camp Verde, AZ
Injuries
2 fatal, 2 serious, 4 uninjured
Phase of flight
Maneuvering
Aircraft
N73708Cessna 172MN6439RPiper PA-28-140
Weather
Visual (VMC) · Day
Status
Completed
Report
Approved by Office Director
Case key
24489

From the NTSB’s public API. By law, NTSB reports can’t be used as evidence in lawsuits over the accident.

On this page

Sequence of events

NTSB’s coding before 2008: each occurrence and phase of flight, and the causes and factors under it. The codes are defined in NTSB’s coding manual.

Midair collisionManeuvering
In-flight planning/decision - poorPilot in commandCause
Judgment - poorPilot of other aircraftCause
Clearance - misjudgedPilot of other aircraftCause
Clearance - not maintainedPilot in commandCause
In-flight planning/decision - poorPilot of other aircraftCause
Ostentatious displayPilot of other aircraftCause
Overconfidence in personal abilityPilot in commandCause
In flight collision with terrain/waterDescent - uncontrolled
Stabilizer - separationCause
Aircraft handling - not possiblePilot in commandCause
Terrain condition - groundFactor
Midair collisionManeuvering
In-flight planning/decision - poorPilot in commandCause
Judgment - poorPilot in commandCause
Clearance - misjudgedPilot in commandCause
Clearance - not maintainedPilot of other aircraftCause
In-flight planning/decision - poorPilot of other aircraftCause
Ostentatious displayPilot in commandCause
Overconfidence in personal abilityPilot of other aircraftCause
Loss of engine powerManeuvering
Miscellaneous - loss,totalCause
Forced landingDescent - emergency
In flight collision with objectApproach - vfr pattern - final approach
Object - fenceFactor
Precautionary landing - initiatedPilot in commandFactor
Remedial action - reducedPilot in commandCause

Analysis

Both acft involved in the collision were part of a 4-plane formation flt en route to a group fly-in. N6439R was seen to change positions several times during the flt while the other acft remained stable. Reports from witnesses say that N6439R made 'close approaches' & cross unders' of the other acft in the flt. The plt of N73708 said that from off his right side 39R banked left to approach his acft. When the bank angle of 39R had not changed at 50 yds distance, the plt of 708 said he started a hard evassive left turn but the prop of 39R struck the bottom of his acft. The version told by the plt of 39R was in disagreement with the evidence & the majority of the witnesses. All 3 of the 100 hr pvt plts said they were uncomfortable with what the plt of 39R was doing, but since he had a com/cfii & 900 hrs, they thought 'he knew what he was doing.'

Both acft involved in the collision were part of a 4-plane formation flt en route to a group fly-in. N6439R was seen to change positions several times during the flt while the other acft remained stable. Reports from witnesses say that N6439R made 'close approaches' & 'cross unders' of the other acft in the flt. The plt of N73708 said that from off his right side 39R banked left to approach his acft. When the bank angle of 39R had not changed at 50 yds distance, the plt of 708 said he started a hard evassive left turn but the prop of 39R struck the bottom of his acft. The version told by the plt of 39R was in disagreement with the evidence & the majority of the witnesses. All 3 of the 100 hr pvt plts said they were uncomfortable with what the plt of 39R was doing, but since he had a com/cfii & 900 hrs, they thought 'he knew what he was doing.'

Aircraft · 2

Registration
N73708
Reported as
Cessna 172M
Category
Airplane
Serial number
17267621
Airframe hours
1,464
Engine
Lycoming O-320-H2AD, 160 horsepower, reciprocating
Damage
Destroyed
Flight
Personal · Part 91
Operator
Southwest Flite Center
Registered owner
Hans P. Treuenfels
Airworthiness certificate
Standard, Normal
Last inspection
100 hour · April 9, 1985 · 5 hours before
Departed
SDL · Scottsdale, AZ
Destination
SEZ · Sedona, AZ

Matched to the registry by N-number and the event date; the registry’s history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

Registration
N6439R
Reported as
Piper PA-28-140
Category
Airplane
Serial number
28-21621
Airframe hours
4,611
Engine
Lycoming O-320-E2A, 150 horsepower, reciprocating
Damage
Substantial damage
Flight
Personal · Part 91
Operator
William R. Thompson
Registered owner
William R. Thompson
Airworthiness certificate
Standard, Normal
Last inspection
Annual · July 7, 1984 · 64 hours before
Departed
SDL · Scottsdale, AZ
Destination
SEZ · Sedona, AZ

Matched to the registry by N-number and the event date; the registry’s history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

Flight crew · 2

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

Role
Pilot, aircraft N73708
Age
20
Certificate
Private
Airplane ratings
Single-engine land
Medical
Class 3, Valid Medical--no waivers/lim.
Seat
Left
Flight hours
102 total · 31 in this make and model · 68 as pilot in command · 21 in the last 90 days · 9 in the last 30 days · 1 in the last 24 hours
Role
Pilot, aircraft N6439R
Age
20
Certificates
Flight instructor, Commercial
Airplane ratings
Single-engine land, Single-engine sea, Multi-engine land
Instrument ratings
Airplane
Medical
Class 2, Valid Medical--no waivers/lim.
Seat
Left
Flight hours
915 total · 469 in this make and model · 827 as pilot in command · 330 in the last 90 days · 1 in the last 24 hours

Weather

Conditions
Visual (VMC) · Day
Wind
100° at 5 knots
Visibility
60 statute miles
Lowest ceiling
None
Temperature
88 °F, dew point 34 °F
Altimeter
29.00 inHg
Observed at
PHX, 54 nm away

FAA reports on this event · 2

The FAA’s own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date.