NYC85LA246

NTSB accident investigation · Piper PA-24-180 · Bayport, NY · September 21, 1985

Accident · No injuriesLimited investigationFinal report
Date
September 21, 1985, 10:00 local (14:00 UTC)
Place
Bayport, NY
Injuries
4 uninjured
Damage
Substantial damage
Phase of flight
Takeoff
Aircraft
N7505PPiper PA-24-180
Weather
Visual (VMC) · Day
Status
Completed
Report
Approved by Office Director
FAA report
19850921048719A
Case key
35968

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Sequence of events

NTSB’s coding before 2008: each occurrence and phase of flight, and the causes and factors under it. The codes are defined in NTSB’s coding manual.

OverrunTakeoff
Terrain condition - rough/uneven
Lift-off - prematureDual studentCause
Airspeed - not attainedDual studentCause
Aborted takeoff - initiatedPilot in command(cfi)
Supervision - inadequatePilot in command(cfi)Cause
In flight collision with terrain/waterTakeoff
Object - tree(s)

Analysis

According to the CFI, the student raised the nose of the acft too early during takeoff. This resulted in the acft becoming airborne prematurely. The student was unable to climb out of ground effect and the decision to abort the takeoff was made. The acft collided with trees during the aborted takeoff. The student plt had no previous experience on grass runways.

Aircraft

Registration
N7505P
Reported as
Piper PA-24-180
Category
Airplane
Serial number
24-2706
Airframe hours
3,496
Engine
Lycoming O-360-A1D, 180 horsepower, reciprocating
Damage
Substantial damage
Flight
Instructional · Part 91
Registered owner
George Ruotolo
Airworthiness certificate
Standard, Normal
Last inspection
100 hour · April 26, 1985 · 70 hours before
Destination
FRG · Farmingdale, NY
Airport
23N · Bayport, runway 18, 2,740 × 120 ft, grass/turf

Matched to the registry by N-number and the event date; the registry’s history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

Role
Pilot
Age
72
Certificates
Flight instructor, Commercial
Airplane ratings
Single-engine land, Multi-engine land
Instrument ratings
Airplane
Medical
Class 2, Valid Medical--w/ waivers/lim
Seat
Right
Flight hours
11,500 total · 200 in this make and model

Weather

Conditions
Visual (VMC) · Day
Wind
200° at 12 knots
Visibility
4 statute miles
Lowest ceiling
15,000 ft broken
Temperature
79 °F, dew point 61 °F
Altimeter
30.00 inHg
Observed at
ISP, 4 nm away

FAA reports on this event · 1

The FAA’s own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date.