- Date
- March 18, 2010, 10:00 local (17:00 UTC)
- Place
- Phoenix, AZ
- Injuries
- 2 uninjured
- Damage
- Substantial damage
- Phase of flight
- Landing
- Aircraft
- N8830DPiper PA-22-160
- Defining event
- Landing-landing roll: Loss of control on ground
- Weather
- Visual (VMC) · Day
- Status
- Completed · report July 1, 2010
- Report
- Approved by Office Director
- NTSB office
- Western Pacific Region
- Parties
- FAA FSDO
- FAA report
- 20100318029769A
- Case key
- 75551
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Probable cause
The student pilot's inadequate compensation for the quartering tailwind during landing and the flight instructor's delay in taking remedial action.
Findings · 3
NTSB’s coded findings. Those marked are part of the probable cause; the rest are factors or other findings. Under each, the cases with the same finding.
Sequence of events
The events NTSB coded, in order, by phase of flight. The defining event is the one that best describes the accident. Under each, the cases with the same event anywhere in their sequence.
Analysis
The flight instructor said that he was giving the student pilot a final instructional flight before his Federal Aviation Administration private pilot certificate check ride. The student was flying the airplane and they were cleared for the option to runway 30L; the wind was from 180 degrees at 7 knots. The flight instructor alerted the student to the left quartering tailwind for the landing. The touchdown was normal, but as the airplane slowed it began to drift left. Both pilots applied right rudder and then left rudder; however, directional control was lost and the airplane ground-looped. The left wing impacted the runway, bending and wrinkling the wing. Additionally, the aft fuselage was bent and wrinkled near the tailwheel.
Factual narrative
The flight instructor said that he was giving the student pilot a final instructional flight before his Federal Aviation Administration private pilot certificate check ride. The student was flying the airplane and they were cleared for the option to runway 30L; the wind was from 180 degrees at 7 knots. The flight instructor alerted the student to the left quartering tailwind for the landing. The touchdown was normal, but as the airplane slowed, it began to drift left. Both pilots applied right rudder and then left rudder; however, directional control was lost, and the airplane ground looped. The left wing impacted the runway, bending and wrinkling the wing. Additionally, the aft fuselage was bent and wrinkled near the tail wheel.
Aircraft
- Registration
- N8830D
- Reported as
- Piper PA-22-160
- Category
- Airplane
- Serial number
- 22-6000
- Airframe hours
- 3,891
- Engine
- Lycoming O-320 SERIES, 180 horsepower, reciprocating
- Damage
- Substantial damage
- Flight
- Instructional · Part 91
- Operator
- Saltzman John
- Registered owner
- Saltzman John
- Airworthiness certificate
- Standard, Normal; Standard, Utility
- Last inspection
- Annual · January 15, 2010
- Departed
- CHD · Chandler, AZ
- Destination
- CHD · Chandler, AZ
- Flight plan
- Unknown
- Airport
- IWA · Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Arpt, runway 30L, 10,401 × 150 ft, concrete
Matched to the registry by N-number and the event date; the registry’s history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.
Flight crew · 2
As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.
- Role
- Flight instructor
- Age
- 62
- Injuries
- None
- Certificates
- Airline transport, Commercial, Flight instructor
- Airplane ratings
- Single-engine sea, Multi-engine land, Single-engine land
- Instrument ratings
- Airplane
- Medical
- Class 2, With waivers/limitations
- Last flight review
- November 25, 2008
- Seat
- Right
- Flight hours
- 3,258 total · 600 in this make and model · 8 in the last 90 days · 5 in the last 30 days · 1 in the last 24 hours
- Role
- Student pilot
- Age
- 39
- Injuries
- None
- Medical
- Class 3, Without waivers/limitations
- Seat
- Left
- Flight hours
- 157 total · 157 in this make and model · 22 in the last 90 days · 10 in the last 30 days · 1 in the last 24 hours
Weather
- Conditions
- Visual (VMC) · Day
- Wind
- 180° at 7 knots
- Visibility
- 45 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling
- None
- Temperature
- 77 °F, dew point 39 °F
- Altimeter
- 29.88 inHg
- Observed at
- IWA
Docket · 1
The files NTSB released with the investigation on April 14, 2010, on NTSB’s docket system: statements, records, photos and specialists’ reports. 884 KB in all.
FAA reports on this event · 1
The FAA’s own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date.