DEN87FA091

NTSB accident investigation · Grumman G-164A · Lamar, CO · April 8, 1987

Accident · FatalField investigationFinal report
Date
April 8, 1987, 15:45 local (21:45 UTC)
Place
Lamar, CO
Injuries
1 fatal, 1 serious
Phase of flight
Maneuvering
Aircraft
N8369Grumman G-164AN4941YPiper PA-25-260
Weather
Visual (VMC) · Day
Status
Completed · report May 9, 1988
Report
Approved by Office Director
Case key
17103

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Sequence of events

NTSB’s coding before 2008: each occurrence and phase of flight, and the causes and factors under it. The codes are defined in NTSB’s coding manual.

Midair collisionManeuvering - aerial application
Crew/group coordination - not attainedPilot in commandCause
Visual lookout - inadequatePilot in commandCause
Light condition - sunglareFactor
Visual lookout - inadequatePilot of other aircraftCause
In flight collision with terrain/waterDescent - uncontrolled
Midair collisionManeuvering - aerial application
Crew/group coordination - not attainedPilot in commandCause
Light condition - sunglareFactor
Visual lookout - inadequatePilot in commandCause
Visual lookout - inadequatePilot of other aircraftCause
In flight collision with terrain/waterDescent - uncontrolled

Analysis

The aircraft had completed a formation aerial application operation and were in the process of single airplane spraying around the perimeters of a field. They collided at 10 feet above the ground on perpendicular flight paths, descended out of control and impacted in the level field.

The aircraft had completed a formation aerial application operation and were in the process of single airplane spraying around the perimeters of a field. They collided at 10 feet above the ground on perpendicular flight paths, descended out of control and impacted in the level field.

Aircraft · 2

Registration
N8369
Reported as
Grumman G-164A
Category
Airplane
Serial number
864
Airframe hours
4,214
Engine
P&W R1340-AN-1, 600 horsepower, reciprocating
Damage
Destroyed
Flight
Aerial application · Part 137
Registered owner
Allen H. Tinnes
Airworthiness certificate
Special, Restricted (Special)
Last inspection
Annual · February 2, 1984 · 528 hours before
Departed
Lamar, CO

Matched to the registry by N-number and the event date; the registry’s history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

Registration
N4941Y
Reported as
Piper PA-25-260
Category
Airplane
Serial number
25-4742
Airframe hours
1,583
Engine
Lycoming O-540-G1A5, 260 horsepower, reciprocating
Damage
Destroyed
Flight
Aerial application · Part 137
Registered owner
Allen H. Tinnes
Airworthiness certificate
Special, Restricted (Special)
Last inspection
Annual · May 10, 1986
Departed
Lamar, CO

Flight crew · 2

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

Role
Pilot, aircraft N8369
Age
41
Certificate
Commercial
Airplane ratings
Multi-engine land, Single-engine land
Medical
Class 2, Valid Medical--no waivers/lim.
Seat
Center
Toxicology
Performed
Flight hours
5,620 total · 5,140 in this make and model · 5,500 as pilot in command · 20 in the last 90 days · 6 in the last 24 hours
Role
Pilot, aircraft N4941Y
Age
35
Certificate
Commercial
Airplane ratings
Single-engine land
Medical
Class 2, Valid Medical--w/ waivers/lim
Seat
Center
Toxicology
Performed
Flight hours
2,000 total · 2,000 in this make and model · 2,000 as pilot in command · 30 in the last 90 days · 6 in the last 24 hours

Weather

Conditions
Visual (VMC) · Day
Wind
210° at 8 knots
Visibility
35 statute miles
Lowest ceiling
None
Temperature
64 °F, dew point 21 °F
Altimeter
29.00 inHg
Observed at
LHX, 52 nm away

FAA reports on this event · 2

The FAA’s own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date.

Other investigations on N8369 · 2

Matched to the same aircraft by N-number and date.